Trapdoor Rifles

Happy to help! I've met Ed a couple of times - nice guy, and extremely knowledgeable.

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I modified the title of this thread to better identify the topic.

Thanks for posting these photos! I never really knew too much about the Miller Conversion. The photos answer a lot of questions, especially to why it was never seriously considered by the Ordnance Board. It appears as if would be very complicated to manufacture.

Rick T

throck3 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:42 pm Thanks for posting these photos! I never really knew too much about the Miller Conversion. The photos answer a lot of questions, especially to why it was never seriously considered by the Ordnance Board. It appears as if would be very complicated to manufacture.

Rick T

Good point, but I'm not sure the 1st Allin was any better, though it certainly looked sleeker - the Miller is kind of ugly, though I suspect it might have been a stronger action. In any event, its' extractor lived on - and the government finally had to pay for the design.

throck3 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:42 pm Thanks for posting these photos! I never really knew too much about the Miller Conversion. The photos answer a lot of questions, especially to why it was never seriously considered by the Ordnance Board. It appears as if would be very complicated to manufacture.

Rick T

You’re welcome Rick T
I feel the action is less complicated than the 1st Allin. The Miller design has less moving parts and doesn’t require those 2 little screws to hold the ejector and ejector lever together, which by the way are not available anywhere. So if you have a 1st Allin I suggest not removing those screws as they break rather easily, I have experience there

John S. wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:44 am I modified the title of this thread to better identify the topic.

Thanks John although I thought my title left a little mystery

Dick Hosmer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:48 pm

throck3 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:42 pm Thanks for posting these photos! I never really knew too much about the Miller Conversion. The photos answer a lot of questions, especially to why it was never seriously considered by the Ordnance Board. It appears as if would be very complicated to manufacture.

Rick T

Good point, but I'm not sure the 1st Allin was any better, though it certainly looked sleeker - the Miller is kind of ugly, though I suspect it might have been a stronger action. In any event, its' extractor lived on - and the government finally had to pay for the design.

The extractor the government eventually paid on was on the 2nd variation pictured here.
I always thought that there was only one design but apparently they somewhat copied Allin's design